Hi friends, welcome to another edition of the Inside BS Show I’m Dave Lorenzo, and today we’re talking to quite possibly my favorite family law attorney. I got ta. I got ta give that some thought she may be. She’s. Definitely my favorite family law attorney in Maryland. Sorry other people who are clients who work in Maryland, but she may be my favorite family law attorney overall Sandy Brooks is a family law attorney in Maryland and her practice focuses on all aspects of family law. She dedicates her time to assisting clients in domestic law matters, including divorce, child custody, visitation, family mediation, spousal and child support, property division and division of retirement benefits. Sandy’s. Other areas of deep knowledge and experience include tax consequences of divorce, mediation, prenuptial agreements, postnuptial agreements, negotiating and drafting of separation agreements, litigation post judgment proceedings and really all things that involve dissolving or protecting dissolving a marriage or protecting you when a marriage is dissolved. Sandy is a member of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers, which places her in the top five percent of all family law attorneys in the United States. She works in Maryland, but she can give generalized advice to people throughout the country and she’s great. For referrals, if you need a referral in another state, Sandy will be happy to help. You Please join me in welcoming Sandy Brooks to the Inside BS, Show air whooshing All right Sandy. Welcome to the show Thanks for joining us Thanks for having me and what an introduction. I am going to make sure that I keep that recording where you said I was your favorite family lawyer in all of Maryland. I know so now everybody else who’s in your office, who I also work with, is gon na go. Oh so Sandy Brooks is your favorite All right, so Sandy Exact, let’s start with why you chose family law, because I have a lot of a lot of lawyers who listen to the show who watch on YouTube and we all know. Family law is a difficult practice area because it’s emotionally tough on people, men, women, it doesn’t matter it’s emotionally draining. Why did you choose family law? So it’s funny, because I don’t think any family lawyer chooses family law. We don’t go to law school or finish law school, saying, hey! I wan na do family law. I actually started in tax controversy, so I was doing the state planning and I was doing tax controversy work and frankly, I just didn’t find it very fulfilling I didn’t feel like I was doing enough to help the members of my community. So there was an opening to work with a woman named Cheryl Hepfer, who is, I would say, the best family lawyer. I’ve ever ever even seen in court or worked with, and so I gave it a shot. I called everybody, I knew and I got an interview with her and she was the one dumb enough to hire me. But since then the they say, the burnout rate for a family lawyer is about three years, but I was completely sucked in I mean the ability to help the families and the children through such a difficult time. I mean I’m, not a product of a of a divorced family from childhood, so it was new interesting and frankly, I just wanted to help as much as I could And then the number piece kind of just fell into place, dealing with businesses and assets And retirements, because I had that background Talk about what a huge competitive advantage, that is for you, because I work with a lot of family law attorneys who struggle with that aspect of their practice. How is your aptitude for numbers a huge advantage? I think you’re right. I think that, even in my practice, when I’m talking to other family lawyers or negotiating with other family lawyers, some are actually afraid of the numbers. I mean it’s quite clear and some I just try and help walk through the numbers, because we’re all trying to work towards the same goal of helping this family move on Well. At least I hope we are all working towards that goal, but I do think it’s a huge advantage, because some people are doing these cases and word cost basis. Doesn’t even cross their mind or the tax consequences of a certain stock units or vested versus unvested. So I do think that I have an advantage in that it. Just I don’t know if it comes naturally to me or I do really still enjoy the numbers. All of my children are really good in math I was really good math I don’t know I really like it All right. So one of the things you touched on is burnout with family law attorneys and years ago it’s got ta, be over a decade ago now I came across collaborative family law right And you’re certified in that explain to people what collaborative family law The collaborative approach to family law is how it works and who it’s a good fit for So collaborative law. Is it’s not good for everybody? So I think that the attorney has to really assess the parties, both parties and it’s really for one. It’s very expensive. I must say So: it’s, you’re hiring coaches, so you may have a coach for the financial aspect to help you with the numbers, So that may be a CPA or a financial advisor. You have a maybe a therapeutic coach to help. You walk through the issues with the children So and then everybody meets together. So then the attorneys are there both attorneys both parties, any coaches, So from a financial aspect it can be very expensive. The benefit is that it is collaborative. I mean the goal: is that everybody’s amicable and we’re all here to reach a resolution that’s fair for everybody. So I can say that I don’t I do collaborative like in probably all of my cases, or at least I try to So because once you start the collaborative process, that attorney is not your litigator, if need be, you have to switch, which also makes It more expensive, but I think collaborative and collaborative like is the way to go because nobody wants to be in court, But if you do end up in court I’m happy to be there too. I love litigating, but I do settle probably 99 of my cases Well and that’s the when your client comes to you that’s, something you have to establish upfront, correct, Hey, listen! You don’t wan na litigation is not designed to be fair. Cheap or quick, so what are your goals for this matter And I think more than any other type of litigation, family law has the highest degree of emotional involvement right. Oh absolutely I mean it’s through the roof and it’s. I like to say it’s good people in their worst times, because it’s really tough, especially if you have your children involved and they’re minors. So yeah, when somebody comes in you just explain there’s different options and there’s different processes. So there is the litigation route. There,’s the mediation route. There’s a collaborative route. There’s a lot of arbitration going on these days, because the courts were moving a bit slow in some jurisdictions. So there are a lot of really good trained arbitrators and that may be better for somebody. So these are all different aspects. That family lawyer should be talking to their clients about Yeah what’s the what’s, the biggest surprise to clients when they first in their initial consultation with you, what about the process? Actually shocks, people when they come in, So I think that most people, I shouldn’t say most people, but I think that there is a conception that if you’re going to file for divorce or you’re gon na get divorced. You’re immediately in court and you’re immediately gon na be in front of a judge, And so talking about the different options, I think is good. I think another thing that that does seem to shock. Most people is if one party is alleged to have committed adultery, So in the in the party’s mind who committed the adultery, they’re. Typically that’s the main thing on their mind. They have to tell me, I have to tell you something I’ve been having an affair and I’m afraid I’m gon na lose my kids or the other person. That says, I know my spouse is having an affair and he shouldn’t or she shouldn’t have the children, And so the clients thought of how adultery in particular plays apart in custody. I think is interesting because unless somebody’s committing adultery in front of the children, unless there’s an impact on the children, then our courts, don’t put much weight on that. It’s, really your ability to parent. So I think that that is a common question that I get in almost every case that involves adultery as what is the impact on custody if minor children are involved and isn’t, he or she gon na go to the cleaners because they committed adultery. So it’s kind of a bit of a reality check. I think Yeah, and one of the things that always that always kind of makes me look at this process as one that really needs to be given a lot of thought before it,’s entered into is from the from the perspective of the spouse, who has More financial means than the other spouse, So both spouses can be working. One spouse, has more access to income or has a higher degree of income than the other spouse. When you go your separate ways generally, one person is paying for two residences and two you have to furnish two residences for the kids’cause you’re. You now have alternate arrangements in the short term and maybe in a long term for the kids and you’re paying for every a lot of things in double in duplicate people. Don’t really think that through Somebody packs a bag and they move out and the next thing they know they’re being served and you just doubled your expenses right, And that to me is something that my friends who go through divorce and it’S later in life, and they happen to be the spouse, that has a higher degree of income, it shocks them and they’re, like I got ta pay for twice. I got ta pay for double everything. Well, yes, these choices have consequences right, And that includes ultimately, at the end of the proceedings or during the proceedings that’s gon na include the lawyers too right Sandy Absolutely, and I think it goes both ways. I think that sometimes the dependent spouse is shocked at the client, who is the spouse, who is earning more their inability for the dependent spouse to maintain that lifestyle, So they’re thinking. Well, I’ve always had this lifestyle, so why would there be any issue with me maintaining this lifestyle So the breaking it down? Very simply, is you have one household and the income is what it is as a marital unit and then, when you separate you,’re gon na have two households, so there’s usually some downsizing. That needs to happen in some of these cases and there’s usually some support that needs to be paid for somebody to get on their feet again or back to work, or maybe it’s, they’re, never gon na become self supporting. You know what depends on the case, but it is. It is a lifestyle change. You’re gon na have to make some changes, whether it be in the two households in your cars in your vacation travels, but you’re right. It’s. We’ve got ta, take that one pot of marital money and we have to figure out how to spread it out into households. Have you have you seen often where couples who are? Maybe they’ve been married for a very long time, and maybe the kids are out of the house and they just decide for financial purposes. They’re, not gon na get divorced because it’s just it’s just that their lifestyle is gon na change so dramatically that they’ll live separate lives under the same roof. Have you have you seen that? Yes, so and that’s? Where, in some cases, we may end up drafting a postnuptial agreement, so that’s an agreement that you can have while you’re, still married, but there are a number of circumstances and cases that I’ve done, wherein the parties do not want to Be married, but they’re remaining married for a lot of times. There’s a health insurance component to it, whether it be health insurance, whether it be the family, business and financial reasons, but yeah they will stay together. There’s also been depending on the market and where we are with housing. Sometimes people will stay together because they can’t sell their house, which is their main asset, So they’ll just live on separate floors of the house until the market picks back up Right now. I think a lot of people what I’m seeing now, since the shutdown unfortunately, is an increase in domestic violence, mental and physical abuse cases, because whether people indistinct you’re stuck inside some people are too afraid to leave the house and right now there Are a lot of people that wan na separate but are not going to until they are vaccinated or it’s safe or whatever the reason due to COVID I’ve seen I’ve seen a lot of affluent people. I’ve worked with a handful of affluent people who are no longer with their spouse and their I wan na say. Their default choice is to not get divorced until and if they decide one of them decides they’re gon na get remarried again And the way they the way they just figure stuff out is they already had two homes anyway, I’ll just move into This house That when it’s amazing what happens when money isn’t it doesn’t enter into the into the equation. The spouse that has access to the higher degree of income was already giving the other spouse a quote, unquote allowance, and maybe they agree to increase the allowance and they’re. Just gon na live in separate places and as long as everything remains the same, they’re. They, the things will stay the way they are because they don’t want to invest in the legal aspects of this. I’ve seen that several times over the last three or four years where these people are affluent, they just have two homes, one: the spouse, who moves out moves into the other home as long the kids are adults and they’ve grown. They’re grown, let’s not change our lifestyle and let’s not give a lot of money to the legal process. Let’s just deal with this this way until, unless than until somebody decides they wan na get married. So that’s I’ve, seen that I’ve seen that also, and as you said, though I mean I have – I’ve had two of these matters in the past year and both involve children that were grown and they did have different houses. So and they were in different states frankly So and they just retitled things in trust and we were able to help them retitle things how they want to, but really nothing is gon na happen until one party wants to remarry, If any, either of them, if they Even wan na remarry, they seem to be happy going about their separate lives, but maintaining every all the financial aspects, And also there’s tax benefit to filing jointly and having these business assets and then having one spouse who one of the cases the one spouse Is the owner she’s female, but there is a tax benefit because she has she’s a minority owner, So they don’t wan na separate that right now, Although you don’t have to separate your business either when you’re, when You’re going through a divorce, but all these assets have to be addressed in Maryland, So sometimes it’s easier to stay married, Yeah all right! Now let’s talk a little bit about some of the some of the interesting aspects of working with people who are going through a difficult time in their in their lives. I like to say that your job as a family law attorney is to help people get through this process mentally psychologically, emotionally and fiscally in the best position possible, but really aren’t there just degrees of bad for both parties when it comes to a divorce And how do you address that with your client when you, when you first come into contact with them? So I can say that I am. I consider myself a lucky family lawyer, because the majority of my clients are pretty wealthy, so they have. They have resources for the tools that I would say they need. So, by way of example, I am a huge advocate for therapy, not because I think any of my clients are crazy, but you have to learn to communicate with your spouse, even if you despise them for the benefit of the children. I mean my I’m an advocate for my clients, but one of the first things I say to them is: if there are minor children involved, I cannot help but want to do what’s best for them. First, it’s just how my brain works. I’m gon na make sure the kids are taken care of, and then we can figure out the money I mean again to me: money is money, it’s, easy. We’ll figure it out, And so therapy is a big deal, and so I have a large connection or a large group of therapists that I like to work with that. I think do really well in these cases, So that’s one tool that I try and give clients in this in this process And then, as far as the financial piece goes, there are really good accountants, indistinct, It’s. Another person I wan na connect. My client with and sometimes most times, one spouse, the non dependent spouse has their own financial planner, their own accountant, and so I wan na hook the dependent spouse up with somebody that they trust and that we’re looking long term into the future into the Assets and that’s it I mean I’m – I say to people I’m, a lawyer. I can negotiate a really good deal for you. I can litigate a great case for you, but I am a lawyer. I put evidence before the court and I negotiate The jobs that the therapist can do. I don’t wan na. Take I don’t I don’t wan na do that, So I am still a counselor and then the accountants I mean these are all people that have great benefit to cases and I think in helping get me good resolutions. Talk about the myth of an uncontested divorce’cause, even if everything is agreed to something always comes up right. There really is nothing. There,’s. No, there’s, no such thing as an uncontested divorce. Correct I’m trying the uncontested divorce would be. Somebody already came to me with an agreement, but how did they even get to the agreement? They might’ve gone through the mediation process. You’re right to be an uncontested divorce means that you and your spouse have agreed to all issues before the court. In order to be divorced, you have agreed to access of your children. You’ve, agreed to child support. You’ve agreed to alimony. You’ve agreed to the division of all your marital assets and you’ve, agreed to the issue of attorney’s fees. If any, So you can do that. That’s great, I mean that’s the best case and that’s best for the children, but there’s always some something that maybe people get hung up on or they need a little help on. So I’m happy to help there too. One of the questions I get a lot is, and maybe this is people watching too much TV, and you can tell me if this is true or not. One spouse is thinking of getting divorced, and the other spouse thinks that the spouse that’s thinking about it, doesn’t think the other spouse has a clue. So what they do is they go and they meet with all the family law attorneys in the geographic area to try and conflict out conflict them out from representing their spouse. Is that does that really conflict, the family law? I got an initial consultation. Does it really conflict the family law attorney from representing the other spouse? Yes, so I don’t, I mean one. I hope attorneys aren’t recommending that clients do that, because everybody has the right to seek counsel, but it does conflict attorneys out, and my hope always is. When somebody comes in to meet with me – and they say my husband or my wife has already met with an attorney – I’m crossing my fingers that it’s, somebody that is very reasonable, maybe practices or thinks like me and somebody I can work with It wouldn’t be great if my client had already met with all of the attorneys and the spouse is limited to a few people but yeah. If you meet with somebody, you have that background information and you have too much knowledge about the other spouse. So what you’re saying is you want your spouse to have a good lawyer, because a good lawyer is gon na know a good deal and a good lawyer is not out just to run up the fees the good lawyer is gon na want the is Gon na want the case resolved. Let’s talk a little bit about that. So there are. There are family law attorneys that work by the hour? There are family law attorneys that will do stuff based on flat fees. There are family law attorneys that sometimes will bill based on stages of the case. How does all of that work? So somebody comes in to meet with you and they I’m, assuming they have to give you a retainer and then you bill against it and what are the? What are the different fee models and how do they work? So I think every firm is different. I am lucky enough. I’ve been with the same paralegal since I was out of law school. She’s been with me since I did my tax controversy work. So having a team and then being able to delegate down is a big deal and I think it’s also a savings for my for my clients, but we do work hourly. I’ve done flat fees for maybe an appeal case, but we bill hourly and then what we do is we do have retainers and so a litigation retainer as you can imagine, would be much higher than a consultation, retainer or a negotiation retainer. And then we delegate down as much as we possibly can. We have a team of associates who have lower rates Again. My paralegal has a much lower rate and then you just delegate down as much as you can All right. Let’s talk about how the different aspects of a family law case play out So people have people are. Somebody is thinking about getting a divorce. What’s the first step they should take. So I think that you should meet with it with a lawyer, because, if you meet with a good lawyer, you’re gon na have the pieces in place to do this. What I say is the right way Now mind you, I’m, the oldest child. In my family, so I believe my way is the right way and nobody else’s way is right unless it’s my way. So again, do you have minor children Let’s meet with the attorney. A good attorney should map out a plan for you What’s the best way to do this. What’s your plan for separating What’s your plan for telling your spouse? Do you need a therapy, a therapist involved to help you tell your spouse. Is this a domestic violence case? Is there a drug abuse? Is there alcohol abuse? Those types of things are on the rise, unfortunately, with the shutdown and what else needs to happen? Do we need to have you gather all the financial documents before you tell your spouse, because you’re afraid is gon na take money? Do we need you to take some money so that you don’t so that you have access to something that you can live off of, So there needs to be a plan, So you just don’t say spouse. We’re gon na get divorced and I’m gon na go meet with somebody tomorrow, So I always say if you’re, even thinking about it, just spend an hour with an attorney and at least figure out what the law is figure out. What your options are and then try and work on your plan before you before you move forward Yeah. The asset aspect of this is particularly important because there are legal, legitimate ways to move assets around and then there are, and then there’s just blatant. Hiding of assets which could really get you in a lot of trouble, Talk about talk about what could happen if you do something shady with your assets and then you get divorced, I mean the consequences of that are pretty severe One, the attorney you have to find It right So there are cases where you can, you can get money, or somebody has been sending money to a country that I can’t issue a subpoena to, or I can’t get the records for it and they’ve been doing it for Years So that has happened Fortunately, for me again: the connections through the AAML and the International Academy of Family Lawyers. If I have an issue I mean right now I have one in France, I’m able to call the French attorney and say hey. How could I find out if there’s money in an account here and then we walk through the process, So if it’s found so that’s the big thing, because it’s? Tough, when I have a spouse, this happened last year, the spouse – and it was a wife new husband – had money in a Scottish account, knew it knew it knew it and prove it. We got ta prove it. So we’re pulling out all our resources to try and prove it. If you can’t prove the money, is there and you can’t prove the money even left the United States to go there? Then? What do you do Now if it is proven because we’ve all had our cases where we’ve got? We’ve got them on cross examination and I have the proof that you took the money and you’re hiding it, And those are those are what us litigators. We love. We love those days because you can just see the judge fuming. You can see the judge is unhappy and that’s your consequence, because there’s no formula for what makes the judge unhappy and then how much the judge dings you. But I like to tell people there’s this one part of the rule. When you’re trying a case or negotiating that’s, not in the rule book, and that is whether or not you’re liked by the judge, Maryland is an equitable distribution state that doesn’t mean we divide everything. Fifty fifty. That means the judge could say: hey Mr Lorenzo, you siphoned off two million dollars and tried to hide it from your spouse. Now I’m gon na make her whole and then, who knows what else is gon na happen? Then you’re gon na pay. A little extra in alimony I don’t know because the judge’s discretion is the judge.’s. Discretion Sure talk a little bit about the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers. You were, you were admitted a little over a year ago now right And congratulations on that. How is that? First of all, it’s a huge distinction. It puts you in the top five percent of family law attorneys in the United States. How is that helpful? To you You just mentioned one way is that you have people and as a member of the American Academy I’m. Assuming are you automatically in the International Academy, or do you have to take a test for that too? No, so you’re not automatically in the International Academy, so I have applied to that and then I’m just waiting for the for the result of that. So that may take a little bit longer with COVID, but the American Academy is where I start. I’ve kind of grown up with them because again my mentor and my partner Cheryl Hepfer. She was the past president of the American Academy past president of the International Academy, so I tagged along with her to every single event I could possibly go to, because I have nothing but good things to say about the attorneys in this group. I, since for 10 12 years now, I can reach out to an attorney in any jurisdiction and say hey, I practice with a fellow and you work. I looked you up and can you help me And they just stop and drop everything and they help you So since I have been a fellow it,’s like magnified by the UMP degree I mean I can call and say: hey, has anybody had this matter? Does anybody have any case law in your jurisdiction on this that or the other? I’d like to make an argument in Maryland, but we don’t have case laws, so I’m getting case law from jurisdictions in Jersey from surrounding jurisdictions. It’s just such a good group of people, and on top of that I mean they’re. Just so smart. I mean you get ideas I mean and they’re there’s constant indistinct. I mean we just had a mid year meeting. All last week I was in conferences and then a majority of the American fellows are in the international group too. So I mean in this area. I work in the DC area, so I’m in DC Maryland Virginia. So I have a lot of international components to my cases, So the benefit of the IFO. It would really it’s really beneficial for attorneys practicing in this area. Okay, so talk other attorneys about how you build your practice.’cause. You focus a lot on business development. What are some of the things you do from a business development perspective, So I am a really social person. This shutdown has been hard for me. I really like to see people and Zoom. I love Zoom, I mean, but it’s getting a bit old. So I talk I mean. I think that that’s, how I’ve developed my business – I mean the majority of my cases, come from old clients or colleagues or actually probably also mental health professionals, because I’ve worked with them and their clients through the years, but it’S just talking to people and connecting people I mean, I think, that I’m a connector. I naturally wake up and I really wan na help somebody. So if there’s a need for a therapist, I mean right now. Actually what’s interesting is. Maybe it’s business development, You would say it’s, business development. I would say it’s helping people, but it’s. We are having a shortage of therapists and we need therapists. So I’m trying to connect people and my people are booked, so I’ve started cold, calling therapists that I have never worked with And when they call me back, I don’t just refer my clients to them. I actually interview them for like 15 minutes and I asked them a bunch of questions And then’cause. If I’m gon na send my client there. I always pretend, like I,’m gon na, go there. Do I wan na go there? Do I wan na send my kids there And that has expanded my book as well, because we’re just all talking meeting new people, But I also do things. I think that if you do stuff in the community, I do a lot of speaking events. I do a lot of kid:’s, charity events and I have three kids, and so naturally you meet new people at the gym or at the school and at baseball. But that’s really how I built my book is a lot of and a lot of socializing. I mean I rarely miss a happy hour And you let people know that you can handle matters that are outside the realm of family law, because you work at a firm that does a dozen other things So indistinct that’s. The other thing you’re right,’cause family lawyers. We don’t wan na I mean. Maybe some do I I’m not out there saying hey, call me. I hope you’re getting divorced or I hope you’re having a custody matter. Give me a call, I mean really it’s right now. If somebody has an issue with bankruptcy, just call me, I’ll find the right attorney and anywhere I mean. If you need somebody who does entertainment law in LA give me a call, because I will help you find that person. We will find somebody that’s good too, So that’s and then my firm a lot. I bring in a lot of estate planning work that kind of goes hand in hand with family law and a lot of business work. So mergers and acquisitions of different companies and businesses, But I am lucky Offit Kurman – does everything So even I mean a client had a kid with a DWI. I know exactly who to send them to Perfect all right. So let’s give people a guide now, If you’re, if you’re out there and you wan na hire a family law attorney what’s the what’s the guide? How do you pick a good family law attorney? Of course, if they’re in Maryland, they can just call Sandy and we’ll, give you all of Sandy’s contact information at the end of the show. We’re gon na put a link to her bio on the firm’s webpage in the show notes as well, But let’s say they’re not in Maryland. What should people do? What’s their due diligence for hiring a family law attorney? So really anybody listening can call me. I will help them find somebody in their area and even if finances is an issue I mean I’m helping people find people that can’t afford to call Offit Kurman, but I strongly recommend first that you go to the academy website. I mean there is somebody in every jurisdiction. These fellows will help you. They wan na help people. So, even if you don’t go with that fellow or they’re, two counties away from you say: hey who’s the person I should call And that’s how I would start. I would start with the AAML website in your jurisdiction and I would start making phone calls there Yeah and it’s, so it’s so important to do that. Research, independent of who, your friends or your family members right, Might recommend because your friends and your family members, they may have had a good experience with someone, but that doesn’t mean that number one that person got them a great deal. They just had a good experience, working with them And number two that doesn’t mean that the person they worked with is a good lawyer. They just they just it. Just it worked out for this person and they were happy, but that they could be happy because there was very little friction and it got done it. Doesn’t mean that things were done the right way, So you can have it all. You can have an attorney that you that you, that you, that I shouldn’t say you enjoy working with, because this is family law. You can have an attorney that’s gon na, provide you with a with a good experience, as well as someone who’s knowledgeable and competent, and someone who’s gon na take into account. If there are children involved, the experience of the children in going through this process, That to me, is one of the things that I always I always focus on when it comes to people when they ask for a referral for a family law attorney, There are attorneys Who are excellent but not a good fit for your personality, and then there are attorneys who may be a good fit for your personality, but are dumb as a box of rocks. So we need to find somebody who’s really good and also is gon na. Be a good fit for your personality and all the other circumstances at play, including children, including if there’s complex finances and everything else, Hiring the right attorney in the end should save you money Hiring. The wrong attorney is always gon na cost. You money always gon na cost. You money, You are absolutely right, You’re absolutely right And it’s just. I also think that to add onto my recommendations is family law is so personal. I mean we know everything. You have to feel comfortable with your family lawyer, So interview more than one person. If you want to call two or three people, I mean it’s like a doctor. This is setting the rest, the rest of your life up or the next chapter up. It’s not small potatoes, So I always try and I mean this is what I do for a living. But I’m always trying to put myself in my client’s, shoes, because this is their life, and I take that very seriously, and this is their children,’s lives, And so, if you there are attorneys. Unfortunately, that are just looking at. How can I run the meter and how much money is in the bank account And I’ll settle it when there’s 100 left in your bank account, But if you’re not feeling comfortable with somebody or you,’re, just you,’re. Just not feeling it the personality just to go meet with somebody else, All right Sandy. How can people get a hold of you? I am on email. 24. 7. It’s kind of embarrassing. I’m up very early and I go to bed pretty late. So you can email me at sbrooks, offitkurman com, Now that we are in the age of COVID. You can also call me any time – and I will hear it rang through my cell phone, my house phone, my computer, my office and my direct line is 240. 507. 1716 or you can find me on the Offit Kurman website Yeah, we’re gon na put all that in the show notes, so people can connect with you And of course Sandy it’s. Always it’s always a pleasure to spend a few minutes with you. So thanks for taking the time today, Those of you who have listened to this episode and you want some advice about hiring a family law attorney. You can certainly reach out to Sandy. She’ll help you wherever you are So Sandy thanks for joining us today. Thank you Dave thanks for having me That’ll do it. For this episode of the Inside BS Show. My name is Dave Lorenzo. We’re here everyday with a brand new interview for you Until tomorrow, here’s, hoping that you make a great living and live a great life bright, upbeat, music,
